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== Session==
 
== Session==
 
===Opening===
 
===Opening===
Aaron: From the beginning of this effort I have been truly amazed at the levels of kindness that I perceive from those who are truly seeking for something within.
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Aaron: From the beginning of this [[effort]] I have been truly [[amazed]] at the levels of [[kindness]] in those who are truly [[seeking]] for something within. I extend welcome, I am Aaron. Thank you for being here tonight. I would ramble on but for our [[friends]] to speak. I have previously given a [[message]] that can be distributed. Welcome to my friends, Nolus and Jeremiah. Hello, Sheila. And the rest of you are old hat. ([[laughter]]) So, now I would allow. Welcome.
 
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===Lesson===
I extend welcome. I am Aaron. Thank you for being here tonight. I would ramble on, but there are friends to speak. I have previously given a message that can be distributed. Welcome to my friends Nolus and Jeremiah. The rest of you are old hat. (Laughter.) So now I would allow. Welcome.
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Elyon: This is Elyon. I greet you tonight and come to say hello, for we have been [[engaged]] before. I would offer you, Nolus, my [[appreciation]] for your [[courage]] and [[strength]] in giving us so long ago, but not so long, the [[catalyst]] for my group becoming willing to see and to hear the [[message]] that I would deliver. I only come to [[express]] this [[appreciation]] and my [[thanks]] to both of you for your [[bravery]] and your [[outreach]]...
 
 
Elyon: This is Elyon. I greet you tonight and I come to say hello, for we have been engaged before. I would offer you Nolus, my appreciation for your courage and strength in giving so long ago, but not so long, the catalyst for my group becoming willing to see and to hear the message that I would deliver. I only come to express this appreciation and my thanks to both of you for your bravery in your outreach.
 
 
===Dialogue===
 
===Dialogue===
N: May I ask a question today please, of you Elyon?
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===='''''[[Criticism]]''''', '''''[[Communication]]'''''====
 
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Student #1: May I ask a [[question]]? Last year when we were coming around we were able to give, but this year we are more in need of [[receiving]]. Do you have any [[words]] of [[encouragement]] that would help our [[group]] this year?
Elyon: Yes.
 
 
 
N: Last time we were coming around we really had many things that we were able to offer the group, but this year it seems that as we come around, we are more in need for ourselves and for our groups more than we are giving. Do you have any words of encouragement that maybe would help our group this year?
 
 
 
Elyon: This is necessary, this growth that is occurring now. It seems frayed and somewhat worn to some. In your willing party there is a disenchantment, a frustration, for there are many ideas for continuing positively, but there is no one that can decide.
 
 
 
As a group of people I would recommend that you define your levels of willingness openly in a conversation. This is not the time to hold back. (Deleted personal part.) Communication I see as being the most important area of focus. Does this answer you?
 
 
 
N: It does answer my question, so I guess it's maybe in the backs of a lot of people's minds, but we're just so timid about thinking to do it, but I guess in this travel we've had a lot of confirmation about that, so I guess maybe it needs to be something we focus on and look into more. It's helpful to hear it from an outside teacher. Thank you very much.
 
 
 
(Deleted more personal information.)
 
 
 
J: (Edited) Teacher Elyon I have a question. I'm Jeremiah.
 
 
 
In the beginning with the teacher group, transmission group, the lessons are at different levels, so different spiritual levels can be accommodated. New people coming in can get certain things out of the lessons and people who are already developed somewhere and listen to lessons for quite awhile can also absorb out of those lessons there, so it's best to sort of keep the groups together.
 
  
Can you talk about the dynamics of when is best to form groups, separate groups, and when to keep the groups unified in both time as well as in the beginning, later, and also according to different types of personalities involved in these groups? Can you discuss that please?
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Elyon: This is [[necessary]]. This [[growth]] that is occurring now, it seems frayed and somewhat worn to some. In your willing parting there is a disenchantment, a [[frustration]], for there are many [[ideas]] for continuing positively, but there is no one that can [[decide]]. As a group of people, I would recommend that you define your levels of willingness openly in a [[conversation]], this is not the time to hold back. You need to decide where your [[effort]] is going to be, and the time for [[judgment]] and distrust must be set aside. [[Speak]] what you want to happen within your [[group]]. If a parting must occur for the sake of continuing forth, then to postpone this would do no one any beneficial help. But [[communication]] I see as being the most important area of [[focus]]. Does this answer?
  
Elyon: When the level of doubt reaches to a point where personal affronts occur, when people choose on the basis of who tells the most appealing message, when you are so willing to love and be tolerant, yet in your own being you know that through this willingness a solution cannot be achieved that is desirable, then you must formulate a new goal.
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Student #1: It does answer. It is what was on a lot of people's [[minds]] but we were [[timid]] to do it. From our travels we have received [[confirmation]] that this should be our [[focus]]. It helps to hear it from an outside teacher. Thank you.
  
I would like to speak in great detail about these dynamics fostering working groups for truly that is the goal of the initial stages of this mission, but sometimes you have to know what is right and you have to decide to do something strong to support what you believe in.
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Elyon: Do you feel that you would lose something by stating your [[feelings]] freely and honestly and calling on everyone else to do the same?
  
If you see that there is no salvable solution, then you must seriously consider what you can do to keep your inner peace. Does this help you?
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Student #1: I think everyone has [[expressed]] their [[feelings]], but I don't think everyone has addressed the aspect. We have so many people who [[feel]] that it is their right to [[criticize]] and be [[negative]]. There's another faction that feels the [[opposite]]. Those things have been stated. It seems like the people who are [[positive]] are pulling away and not going. The negative are staying in their [[criticisms]]. Things are being held back that way. I hear you saying that we need to outright say we need to have a group on the premise of positive and another group on the premise of criticizing.
  
J: Yes it does very much. Thank you teacher.
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Elyon: This is where my [[expression]] is [[focused]]: That somehow you [[feel]] that is [[necessary]] or [[committed]] to staying combined even though your true underlying [[feelings]] tell you that it may not be positive for those who are willing to go forward to do this. And this is my [[word]] to you that those who are of a [[positive]] [[nature]] must truly [[express]] and go forth with what their [[hearts]] tell them is right already. Is this [[clear]]?
  
Elyon: You're welcome. I would gladly share my thoughts with you any time that you would want and feel that it is no burden to call for advice and understanding. I hold you dearly to myself and if you see what can happen when those with like desires work together, then your decisions will be eased. Don't feel that stress needs to be a major part of your goals. This outreach is not supposed to be difficult. It should be held with joy also. I thank you for coming here.
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Student #1: Yes, thank you.
  
J: Thank you and we'll be happy to call on you when we're back home in Utah. We enjoy you very much and we've known you now for over a year.
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Student #2: Teacher Elyon, from the beginning with the [[TeaM|teacher groups]], the lessons are on [[different]] levels so that those who are on different spiritual levels can be accommodated. New people can enter in and those who have been going for awhile can all get lessons there. So it's best to keep the group together in the beginning. Later people are differentiating. Likes have tendency to go to likes. This [[divergence]] of views, differentiating on [[different]] [[commitments]], different levels of [[spirituality]], seem to bring on the question of splitting into [[separate]] [[groups]]. Could you talk about [[dynamics]] of when it is best to form separate groups and when to keep the groups [[unified]] in both [[time]], in the beginning and later, and also according to different types of [[personalities]] that are involved in these [[groups]]? Could you discuss that please?
  
Elyon: And I will see you tomorrow hopefully. (Coeur D'Alene gathering.) Friends.
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Elyon: What I cannot do is to tell you what to do.
  
Machiventa: Good evening. I am the Melchizedek you know well and I come on this completion of the cycle of your group's activities, to salute you. You have all extended in commitment to the degree that you have gained success in the mission activities. I recognize that commitment within you that you individually place before our God of all, and I see in this grouping a bonding of a social commitment.
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Student #2: Yes, I [[understand]]. Generalize for the other groups to learn and go by.
  
I would encourage all to seek this togetherness and to trust in the supremacy of such a grouping even when the external circumstances do not simply portray the case.
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Elyon: When the level of [[doubt]] reaches to a [[point]] when personal affronts occur, when people [[choose]] on the basis of who tells the most [[appealing]] [[message]], when you are so willing to [[love]] and be [[tolerant]], yet in your own being you know that through this willingness a solution cannot be [[achieved]] that is desirable, then you must [[formulate]] a new [[goal]]. I would like to speak in great detail about these [[dynamics]] of fostering working [[groups]], for truly that is the goal of the initial [[stages]] of [[this mission]]. Sometimes you have to know what is right, and you have to decide to do something [[strong]] to [[support]] what you believe in; and if you see that there is no salvable solution, then you must seriously consider what you can do to keep your inner [[peace]]. Does this help?
  
The beauty of our universal makeup is that individuality is maintained while we all experience the uniting, the one family quality of the Supreme. And in this individual and all interplay, doubt and confusion may arise in regards to what appears as fragmentation. Trust that all is working in harmony toward this unfoldment and that the individuals that leap about seemingly independently are very much coordinated.
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Student #2: Yes, it does. Thank you very much, teacher.
  
Always look deep within yourself to the Father source for your own stamina, direction, energy, motivation, commitment, and look with the eye of discernment toward the God Supreme as you reach out to those around you and seek to gain the harmony of brotherhood. In Her you will gain the trust of togetherness, of fraternity, of a unity in spite of individuality, of a cohesiveness that maintains your sovereignty and the sovereignty of all.
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Elyon: I would gladly [[share]] my [[thoughts]] with you anytime that you would want; and [[feel]] that it is no [[burden]] to call for [[advice]] and [[understanding]]. I hold you dearly to myself, and if you see what can happen when those with like [[desires]] work together then your [[decisions]] will be eased. Don't feel that [[stress]] needs to be a major part of your goals. This [[outreach]] is not supposed to be [[difficult]]. It should be held with [[joy]] also. I thank you for coming here.
  
I thank you my children for working with me and our Sovereign Son. The faith that you have extended in this outreach program is a noble faith and it is a good mark in your ascension achievements. On this occasion I would receive from you comment. I would be willing to dialogue as this year has brought you to the point of accepting the many surprises that occurred.
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Student #2: Thank you. We will be [[happy]] to call on you when we are back home in Utah. We enjoy you very much, and we've known you now, actively, for over a year.
  
N: Can you please tell us what part does criticism play in the dynamics of a group?
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Elyon: And I will see you tomorrow, hopefully.
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===='''''[[the Supreme]]''''', '''''[[Unity]]'''''====
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Machiventa: Good evening. I am the [[Melchizedek]] you know well. I come on this completion of the [[cycle]] of your group's [[activities]] to [[salute]] you. You have all extended in [[commitment]] to the [[degree]] that you have all gained [[success]] in [[the mission]] activities. I [[recognize]] that [[commitment]] within you that you individually place before our [[God]] of all. I see in this grouping the bonding of a [[social]] commitment. I would [[encourage]] all to seek this togetherness and to [[trust]] in the supremacy of such a grouping even when the external [[circumstances]] do not simply portray the case. The [[beauty]] of our [[universal]] makeup is that [[individuality]] is maintained while we all [[experience]] the [[uniting]], the one [[family]] quality of the [[Supreme]]. And in this [[The Part and the Whole|individual-and-all]] interplay, [[doubt]] and [[confusion]] may arise in regards to what appears as [[fragmentation]]. [[Trust]] that all is working in [[harmony]] toward this [[unfoldment]], and that the individuals that move about seemingly independently are very much co-ordinated.
  
Machiventa: Criticism on its own is neutral, however as it gets applied it becomes polarized rather immediately. A good critic is one who can discern the flaws or frailties of a situation and guide those involved towards building and strengthening and achieving a good result, much like your skilled art and music critics. And yet as you are aware, there is a form of criticism that drives wedges, splits, and cleaves, destroys, halts the momentum underway, and you have in your culture many an artist who sits with uncompleted objects due to careless criticism.
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Always look deep within yourself to [[the Father]] source for your own [[stamina]], [[direction]], [[energy]], [[motivation]], [[commitment]]; and look with the eye of [[discernment]] toward the [[God the Supreme|God Supreme]] as you reach out to those around you and seek to gain the [[harmony]] of [[brotherhood]]. In Her you will gain the [[trust]] of togetherness, of fraternity, of a [[unity]] in spite of [[individuality]], of a [[cohesiveness]] that maintains your [[sovereignty]] and the sovereignty of all.
  
Criticism can shine light on a situation when extended with the eye of help, with the arm of upholding. Perhaps the better word is needed to differentiate.
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I thank you, my [[children]], for working with me and our [[Sovereign Son]]. The [[faith]] that you have extended in this [[outreach]] program is a [[noble]] [[faith]], and it is a good mark in your [[ascension]] [[achievements]].
  
As you recall this evening the phrase, "Wise as serpents, harmless as doves." That applied to criticism would be bonding.
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On this occasion I would [[receive]] from you comment. I would be willing to [[dialogue]], as this year has brought you to the [[point]] of accepting the many [[surprises]] that occur.
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===='''''[[Criticism]]'''''====
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Student #1: Could you tell us what part [[criticism]] plays in the [[dynamics]] of a [[group]]?
  
Would you have more?
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Machiventa: [[Criticism]] on its own is neutral, however as it gets [[applied]] becomes [[polarized]] rather [[immediately]]. A good critic is one who can [[discern]] the [[flaws]] or frailties of a situation and guide those involved toward building and [[strengthening]] and achieving a [[good]] result, much like your skilled [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_critic art and music critics]. Yet, as you are [[aware]], there is a form of [[criticism]] that drives wedges, splits and cleaves, destroys, halts the [[momentum]] underway. You have in your [[culture]] many an artist who sits with uncompleted projects due to careless [[criticism]]. Criticism can shine [[light]] on a situation if extended with the eye of help, with the arm of upholding. Perhaps a better [[word]] is needed to differentiate. As you recall this evening the phrase "[[wise]] as serpents, harmless as doves". That applied to [[criticism]] would be bonding and building. Would you like more?
  
N: Yes. What I'd really like is to have a role model right here. I would love it. The Melchizedeks... (Tape was sped up due to batteries dying, so voice was really hard to make out.)
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Student #1: Yes. What I would like is a role [[model]] right here. I would love it if we had a [[Melchizedek]] to emulate. I am just waiting for that.
  
Machiventa: Our efforts in assigning teachers to you all is, in a way, to bring this about, though having walked with you I realize the difficulty standing on your end. The requirement of faith, the lack of visible abilities to discern your morontia companions.
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Machiventa: [[Agreed]]. Our efforts at assigning [[the Teachers|teachers]] to you all is, in a way, to bring this about; though, having walked with you, I [[realize]] the [[difficulty]], standing on your end, the requirement of [[faith]], the lack of physical abilities to [[discern]] the [[morontia companions]]. Where there is no emulator, no [[example]], I encourage you to become that example, to provide your [[brothers and sisters]] with the very thing you [[desire]]. And this may cause a [[chain reaction]] amongst you all and an upliftment of [[this planet]]. I would be very [[happy]].
  
Where there is no emulator, no example, I encourage you to become that example, to provide your brothers and sisters with the very things you desire and this may cause a chain reaction amongst you all and an upliftment of our planet and I would be very happy.
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Student #2: Prince Machiventa, I have a question. Some [[groups]] when they split up, split up harshly. Could you give some guidelines on when they do decide to split up the best way to do this. Is it best to do by outright [[discussion]] with everybody, to start small groups on the side? Should there be [[secrecy]]? Some groups that's brought troubles, though when you do bring it up with the entire group, a lot of times people are [[reluctant]] to talk that way or [[share]] their full [[honest]] intents. Could you give some guidelines on how groups could pursue such [[topics]]?
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===='''''[[Consensus]]''''', '''''[[Flexibility]]'''''====
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Machiventa: In a [[word]], [[flexibility]]. At greater length, the [[ideal]] is for the entire [[group]] to come to a [[consensus]]. However, you have done well in [[expressing]] some of the avenues of approach when consensus is not [[attainable]]. [[The Master]] would often draw the [[apostles]] off by themselves for [[private]] [[consultation]] and group [[strengthening]] before engaging even with the [[disciples]] or [[evangels]] who traveled with them. These were a circle within a circle. You do need to take into [[confidence]] your [[trusted]] [[friends]]. And through the seeking of [[group]] [[wisdom]] come to a [[decision]] as to how to approach the larger [[Group|mass]], but it is the path you must [[traverse]] on your own.
  
J: Prince Machiventa, I have a question. Some groups when they do split up, they split up kind of harshly. Can you give some guidelines on the best possible way, if a group does feel they must pursue forming into other groups? Is that best to do in outright discussion with everybody? Is that best to start other groups on the side? Is it best to have elements of secrecy about it? I know sometimes in some groups that has brought troubles, although if you discuss sometimes you can talk honestly with some people, although with everybody you cannot always open up all the way. What guidelines can you give for discussing such topics?
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You must be [[flexible]]. Try all avenues, since [[this planet]] has been disrupted in the [[normal]] [[progress]] of [[evolution]] and much of [[society]]'s [[skills]] are lacking in [[co-operation]]. You may need at some [[point]] to simply "[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaking_the_dust_from_the_feet kick off the dust]" and begin anew. But I would [[encourage]] you to seek to bend and [[flex]] with all in attempt to provide the grounds for everyone to be nourished. Use your [[discernment]] in what may be simply [[personality]] [[hunger]] for [[power]] and [[manipulation]]. This need not be [[tolerated]]. This has gone on too long here. Always provide the counter [[truth]] of [[co-operation]], of [[harmony]], and of placing [[truth]] high above any gain toward [[self]]. Has this been helpful?
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===='''''[[Teaching Mission]]''''', '''''[[Materialization]]'''''====
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Student #2: Yes it has. I also get the [[impression]] that since [[this planet]] has been mismanaged and really had no [[planetary government]] in the past, it seems like a lot of things that we are used to doing in a [[traditional]] way, do not necessarily mean they are right. Is there [[truth]] to that? Would the [[Teaching Mission]] be trying to teach [[normal]] ways that we should be on if we were in a [[normal]] planetary situation?
  
Machiventa: In a word, flexibility. At greater length, the ideal is for the entire group to come to a consensus. However you have done well in expressing some of the various avenues of approach when group consensus is not attainable.
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Machiventa: Yes. [[Our mission]] here is to [[discern]] how best to [[educate]] the forward- looking [[souls]]. One day we will be amongst you to [[facilitate]] the [[process]] directly. I know the hardship that is [[experienced]] in the [[seekers]] who hold to the high [[ideal]]. I would recall to your [[attention]] the portrayal of my good [[friend]], [[Abraham]]. When we were together in the [[flesh]], he would charge into the next [[city]] to spread the [[message]] by [[sword]] and by [[force]]. This [[illustrates]] that the [[zeal]], though misdirected, did not harm him in his [[ascent]], as he stands with me today in [[service]]. The amazing [[spectacle]] of [[Urantia]] is that this planet was able to [[grow]] in spite of the [[difficulties]]. It will be corrected over [[time]], more rapidly as we undergo this [[process]]. The [[traditions]], the conceptual frameworks, the [[social]] [[organizations]] you have will [[change]]. Much is changing today and causes distress amongst the factions of your [[societies]]. Let us work together toward the [[inevitable]].
  
The Master would often draw the apostles off by themselves for private consultation and group strengthening before engaging with even the disciples or evangels who traveled with them, and these were a circle within a circle. You do need to take into confidence your trusted friends and through the seeking of group wisdom, come to a decision as to how to approach the larger mass, but it is the path you must traverse on your own.
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Group: Thank you for being here.
 
 
You must be flexible. Try all avenues, and since this planet has been disrupted in the normal progress of evolution and much of society's skills are lacking in cooperation, you may need at some point to simply kick off the dust and begin anew. But I would encourage you to seek to bend and flex with all in an attempt to provide the grounds for everyone to be nourished.
 
 
 
These are descendant in what may be simply personality hunger for power or manipulation. Always provide the counter truth, of cooperation, of harmony and of placing truth high above any gain toward self. Has this been helpful?
 
 
 
J: Yes it has. I also get the impression that since our planet has been mismanaged, and it has really had no planetary government from rebellion, it seems like a lot of things we got into, even though they might be traditional, we're used to doing things certain ways, and that even though it might be traditional it doesn't mean it's right. Will the teaching mission be approaching some of these problems in a new light, like other places have that are more normal, in the future?
 
 
 
Machiventa: Yes. Our mission here is to discern how best to educate the forward looking souls and one day we will be amongst you to facilitate the process directly. I know the hardship that is experienced in the seekers who hold to the high ideal.
 
 
 
I would recall to your attention the portrayal of my good friend Abraham when we were together in the flesh and he would charge into the next city to spread the message by sword and by force, and to illustrate that his zeal, though misdirected, did not harm him in his ascent, as he stands with me today in service.
 
 
 
The amazing spectacle of Urantia is that this planet was able to grow in spite of the difficulties and it will be corrected over time, more rapidly as we undergo this process. The traditions, the conceptual frameworks, the social organizations you have will change. Much is changing today and is causing distress amongst the factions of your societies. Let us work together toward the inevitable.
 
 
===Closing===
 
===Closing===
J: Thank you for stopping by to be with us.
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Machiventa: I thank you for [[being]] with me. I will be with you again. [[Farewell]] for now.
 
 
Machiventa: And I thank you for being with me. I will be with you again. Farewell for now.
 
 
 
 
[[Category: The Teaching Mission: Dialogues]]
 
[[Category: The Teaching Mission: Dialogues]]
 
[[Category: N. Idaho TeaM]]
 
[[Category: N. Idaho TeaM]]

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Topic: Fostering Groups

Group: N. Idaho TeaM

Facilitators

Teacher: Aaron, Elyon, Machiventa

TR: Unknown

Session

Opening

Aaron: From the beginning of this effort I have been truly amazed at the levels of kindness in those who are truly seeking for something within. I extend welcome, I am Aaron. Thank you for being here tonight. I would ramble on but for our friends to speak. I have previously given a message that can be distributed. Welcome to my friends, Nolus and Jeremiah. Hello, Sheila. And the rest of you are old hat. (laughter) So, now I would allow. Welcome.

Lesson

Elyon: This is Elyon. I greet you tonight and come to say hello, for we have been engaged before. I would offer you, Nolus, my appreciation for your courage and strength in giving us so long ago, but not so long, the catalyst for my group becoming willing to see and to hear the message that I would deliver. I only come to express this appreciation and my thanks to both of you for your bravery and your outreach...

Dialogue

Criticism, Communication

Student #1: May I ask a question? Last year when we were coming around we were able to give, but this year we are more in need of receiving. Do you have any words of encouragement that would help our group this year?

Elyon: This is necessary. This growth that is occurring now, it seems frayed and somewhat worn to some. In your willing parting there is a disenchantment, a frustration, for there are many ideas for continuing positively, but there is no one that can decide. As a group of people, I would recommend that you define your levels of willingness openly in a conversation, this is not the time to hold back. You need to decide where your effort is going to be, and the time for judgment and distrust must be set aside. Speak what you want to happen within your group. If a parting must occur for the sake of continuing forth, then to postpone this would do no one any beneficial help. But communication I see as being the most important area of focus. Does this answer?

Student #1: It does answer. It is what was on a lot of people's minds but we were timid to do it. From our travels we have received confirmation that this should be our focus. It helps to hear it from an outside teacher. Thank you.

Elyon: Do you feel that you would lose something by stating your feelings freely and honestly and calling on everyone else to do the same?

Student #1: I think everyone has expressed their feelings, but I don't think everyone has addressed the aspect. We have so many people who feel that it is their right to criticize and be negative. There's another faction that feels the opposite. Those things have been stated. It seems like the people who are positive are pulling away and not going. The negative are staying in their criticisms. Things are being held back that way. I hear you saying that we need to outright say we need to have a group on the premise of positive and another group on the premise of criticizing.

Elyon: This is where my expression is focused: That somehow you feel that is necessary or committed to staying combined even though your true underlying feelings tell you that it may not be positive for those who are willing to go forward to do this. And this is my word to you that those who are of a positive nature must truly express and go forth with what their hearts tell them is right already. Is this clear?

Student #1: Yes, thank you.

Student #2: Teacher Elyon, from the beginning with the teacher groups, the lessons are on different levels so that those who are on different spiritual levels can be accommodated. New people can enter in and those who have been going for awhile can all get lessons there. So it's best to keep the group together in the beginning. Later people are differentiating. Likes have tendency to go to likes. This divergence of views, differentiating on different commitments, different levels of spirituality, seem to bring on the question of splitting into separate groups. Could you talk about dynamics of when it is best to form separate groups and when to keep the groups unified in both time, in the beginning and later, and also according to different types of personalities that are involved in these groups? Could you discuss that please?

Elyon: What I cannot do is to tell you what to do.

Student #2: Yes, I understand. Generalize for the other groups to learn and go by.

Elyon: When the level of doubt reaches to a point when personal affronts occur, when people choose on the basis of who tells the most appealing message, when you are so willing to love and be tolerant, yet in your own being you know that through this willingness a solution cannot be achieved that is desirable, then you must formulate a new goal. I would like to speak in great detail about these dynamics of fostering working groups, for truly that is the goal of the initial stages of this mission. Sometimes you have to know what is right, and you have to decide to do something strong to support what you believe in; and if you see that there is no salvable solution, then you must seriously consider what you can do to keep your inner peace. Does this help?

Student #2: Yes, it does. Thank you very much, teacher.

Elyon: I would gladly share my thoughts with you anytime that you would want; and feel that it is no burden to call for advice and understanding. I hold you dearly to myself, and if you see what can happen when those with like desires work together then your decisions will be eased. Don't feel that stress needs to be a major part of your goals. This outreach is not supposed to be difficult. It should be held with joy also. I thank you for coming here.

Student #2: Thank you. We will be happy to call on you when we are back home in Utah. We enjoy you very much, and we've known you now, actively, for over a year.

Elyon: And I will see you tomorrow, hopefully.

the Supreme, Unity

Machiventa: Good evening. I am the Melchizedek you know well. I come on this completion of the cycle of your group's activities to salute you. You have all extended in commitment to the degree that you have all gained success in the mission activities. I recognize that commitment within you that you individually place before our God of all. I see in this grouping the bonding of a social commitment. I would encourage all to seek this togetherness and to trust in the supremacy of such a grouping even when the external circumstances do not simply portray the case. The beauty of our universal makeup is that individuality is maintained while we all experience the uniting, the one family quality of the Supreme. And in this individual-and-all interplay, doubt and confusion may arise in regards to what appears as fragmentation. Trust that all is working in harmony toward this unfoldment, and that the individuals that move about seemingly independently are very much co-ordinated.

Always look deep within yourself to the Father source for your own stamina, direction, energy, motivation, commitment; and look with the eye of discernment toward the God Supreme as you reach out to those around you and seek to gain the harmony of brotherhood. In Her you will gain the trust of togetherness, of fraternity, of a unity in spite of individuality, of a cohesiveness that maintains your sovereignty and the sovereignty of all.

I thank you, my children, for working with me and our Sovereign Son. The faith that you have extended in this outreach program is a noble faith, and it is a good mark in your ascension achievements.

On this occasion I would receive from you comment. I would be willing to dialogue, as this year has brought you to the point of accepting the many surprises that occur.

Criticism

Student #1: Could you tell us what part criticism plays in the dynamics of a group?

Machiventa: Criticism on its own is neutral, however as it gets applied becomes polarized rather immediately. A good critic is one who can discern the flaws or frailties of a situation and guide those involved toward building and strengthening and achieving a good result, much like your skilled art and music critics. Yet, as you are aware, there is a form of criticism that drives wedges, splits and cleaves, destroys, halts the momentum underway. You have in your culture many an artist who sits with uncompleted projects due to careless criticism. Criticism can shine light on a situation if extended with the eye of help, with the arm of upholding. Perhaps a better word is needed to differentiate. As you recall this evening the phrase "wise as serpents, harmless as doves". That applied to criticism would be bonding and building. Would you like more?

Student #1: Yes. What I would like is a role model right here. I would love it if we had a Melchizedek to emulate. I am just waiting for that.

Machiventa: Agreed. Our efforts at assigning teachers to you all is, in a way, to bring this about; though, having walked with you, I realize the difficulty, standing on your end, the requirement of faith, the lack of physical abilities to discern the morontia companions. Where there is no emulator, no example, I encourage you to become that example, to provide your brothers and sisters with the very thing you desire. And this may cause a chain reaction amongst you all and an upliftment of this planet. I would be very happy.

Student #2: Prince Machiventa, I have a question. Some groups when they split up, split up harshly. Could you give some guidelines on when they do decide to split up the best way to do this. Is it best to do by outright discussion with everybody, to start small groups on the side? Should there be secrecy? Some groups that's brought troubles, though when you do bring it up with the entire group, a lot of times people are reluctant to talk that way or share their full honest intents. Could you give some guidelines on how groups could pursue such topics?

Consensus, Flexibility

Machiventa: In a word, flexibility. At greater length, the ideal is for the entire group to come to a consensus. However, you have done well in expressing some of the avenues of approach when consensus is not attainable. The Master would often draw the apostles off by themselves for private consultation and group strengthening before engaging even with the disciples or evangels who traveled with them. These were a circle within a circle. You do need to take into confidence your trusted friends. And through the seeking of group wisdom come to a decision as to how to approach the larger mass, but it is the path you must traverse on your own.

You must be flexible. Try all avenues, since this planet has been disrupted in the normal progress of evolution and much of society's skills are lacking in co-operation. You may need at some point to simply "kick off the dust" and begin anew. But I would encourage you to seek to bend and flex with all in attempt to provide the grounds for everyone to be nourished. Use your discernment in what may be simply personality hunger for power and manipulation. This need not be tolerated. This has gone on too long here. Always provide the counter truth of co-operation, of harmony, and of placing truth high above any gain toward self. Has this been helpful?

Teaching Mission, Materialization

Student #2: Yes it has. I also get the impression that since this planet has been mismanaged and really had no planetary government in the past, it seems like a lot of things that we are used to doing in a traditional way, do not necessarily mean they are right. Is there truth to that? Would the Teaching Mission be trying to teach normal ways that we should be on if we were in a normal planetary situation?

Machiventa: Yes. Our mission here is to discern how best to educate the forward- looking souls. One day we will be amongst you to facilitate the process directly. I know the hardship that is experienced in the seekers who hold to the high ideal. I would recall to your attention the portrayal of my good friend, Abraham. When we were together in the flesh, he would charge into the next city to spread the message by sword and by force. This illustrates that the zeal, though misdirected, did not harm him in his ascent, as he stands with me today in service. The amazing spectacle of Urantia is that this planet was able to grow in spite of the difficulties. It will be corrected over time, more rapidly as we undergo this process. The traditions, the conceptual frameworks, the social organizations you have will change. Much is changing today and causes distress amongst the factions of your societies. Let us work together toward the inevitable.

Group: Thank you for being here.

Closing

Machiventa: I thank you for being with me. I will be with you again. Farewell for now.