Talk:1991-Ham, Complete Archives, Part 1

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Note the difference in the history of the lesson as pertains to the section Thought Overcontrol and Omniscience of our Father.

The "original" is drawn from the Teaching Mission Archives. The current version is derived from a submission by Faye on tmtalk this day in reply to a question concerning the issue of money rendered for "spiritual services" in which Gabriel of Sedona was an example.

I have requested clarification as there seems no relationship between the two versions.--rdavis 23:27, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

missing dialogue

Thank you for submitting this record of the lesson by Ham dated July 8, 1991. If you would, for the sake of consistent records, visit this link and click on the button named "Compare selected versions" to examine the discrepancy between the version submitted here and the one on record in the Nordan Symposia and in the Teaching Mission Archives. As the versions of the dialogue section do not appear to overlap, might the version submitted here be a missing part of the existing lesson or should it replace the current version of the dialogue section in this teacher session? If the latter, the dialogue section to be replaced would seem then to belong to another session.

All thoughts are much appreciated! They could become part of the record of this lesson's history and or discussion pending any consensus.--rdavis 01:43, 8 February 2010 (UTC)


This is the kind of thing I occasionally noted in terms of my transcripts that were taken from tmtranscripts for inclusion into the tmarchives. Occasionally large sections of discussion were deleted, or several sessions were cut down and consolidated into one. Like this one, they were altered. Considering the volume of my transcripts, the task of setting them aright took me several years. Editing transcripts -- particularly other people's -- is another critical ethical matter.-Gerdean


Thank you for your thought. I understand now that you are one of the TR's having served during this session, and I have noted this change in the record. Otherwise, until such time as the editorial review of the Teaching Mission corpus has been completed, I will let stand this current revision whose history includes this discussion, pending of course further illumination.

Otherwise, I trust others will come to share your sense of concern with the ethical and accurate representation of these dialogues as the proper editorial review of these as any materials requires collaboration with due respect for the one(s) closest to the moment of expression.. --rdavis 01:45, 8 February 2010 (UTC)


Hi Rob -The version of the July 8, 1991 lesson from Ham is the original that I transcribed from the Woods Cross group. I have never sent the Ham lessons to the list, but these lessons were sent out to many people that perhaps edited them. (from Faye)--rdavis 05:00, 8 February 2010 (UTC)


Thank you very much for this information! I will note this the error as corrected with your input. Of course, the question arises, where does the now displaced fragment belong? Do you recognize this as one belonging to this set of lessons? Or to any from Woods Cross?--rdavis 05:02, 8 February 2010 (UTC)


Please be advised, Rob, I did not say I was present during that session, nor did I participate in the transmitting/receiving of this information, which is dated 1991; I did not become a T/R until February 1993. What I did say is that transcripts were altered in the process of archiving -- which is, of course, an ethical issue.

I am glad that Nordan Symposia is bringing these discrepancies of Teaching Mission Archives to light so that these matters can be rectified. Gerdean--rdavis 05:17, 8 February 2010 (UTC)


Thank you for clarifying! Discrepancies are inherent in our reliance upon material symbols for transmission of thought. Knowing this, we can more easily accept the humbling recognition that any textual artifacts are but derivative products offered nonetheless for reflection by participants and to others as an external reference inquiring from outside that uniquely wonderful moment of being and conversing with others, seen and unseen..--rdavis 05:17, 8 February 2010 (UTC)