Talk:2021-06-28-NET PMG 8

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Among the many objections to Daniel Raphael's work are:

  • 1. He cites academic authority using a bogus Ph.D.
  • 2. His work parrots Neo Conservative US foreign policy. NEC 7NEC 8
  • 3. He cites the Rothschild family as a model of social sustainability. NEC 9
  • 4. He has spiritual beings citing the amorality of their protocols.NEC 20
  • 5. He cites the virtue of commercial AI to guide moral decisions.NET 53
  • 6. In recent years, he has referred to himself in capital letters as "This One".
  • 7. One of the members of this group is assigned "to invent a new religion". NET 96
  • 8. He has Machiventa stating in March 2020 the Covid virus "is a natural occurrence". NET 86


2021-06-28, New Era Transitions Planetary Manager’s Group #8, Machiventa

Planetary Manager’s Group #8 – (Find this and previous PMG’s at:

Machiventa Melchizedek, Planetary Manager Topics:

When in proper alignment, your way will be made clear When sincere and earnest, you can rely on us We are here Work with us outside of just emergencies Development of motivation In person communication vs. electronic More connected and more isolated Namaste Communication among celestial beings Say it out loud And write it down Fill your heart and mind with “We are here!” Modifying weather conditions Planetary Manager’s objectives Suffer the little children

TR: Daniel Raphael, PhD

Invocation: Sherille


When in proper alignment, your way will be made clear

Machiventa: Good morning. This is Machiventa Melchizedek. Once again, I am pleased to be with you, and I thank you for your attendance. As you may note in some instances when you move forward in a direction that is positive, constructive, and works in alignment with our goals, you will find that the resources that you need will be right in front of you. Again, it is more real than even the old metaphor of walking across the stream and knowing where the stones are so that you don't get your feet wet. Now, you will see the stones and you will walk forward through the uncertainty around you knowing that your way is made clear, that you have a clear path ahead of you, and that the resources you need will be provided. You, of course, realize this is a co-creative relationship and so you must also make your needs known to us for this project that we are co-creatively working on together. This is how you find fulfillment in your life—whether you are a teacher, a janitor, are providing childcare, or whatever role you play in your society, you, nonetheless, are always available to us, and we are always available to you.

When sincere and earnest, you can rely on us

When your heart is sincere and your commitment is earnest, you can rely upon us to be there even for the smallest of tasks. We are particularly good at arranging those things which you cannot—those meetings, those resources, those opportunities that move you forward in a direction that complements our work and your life. You see, this is the working relationship at the spiritual-pragmatic level of living life more than just in faith, but in the knowing that you are there with us and we are there with you and that our relationship is palpable. This is the beginning of your relationship with your Thought Adjuster. You can begin with your Thought Adjuster at any time, speak to your Thought Adjuster anywhere—in the silence of your mind, even in the stadium of the Super Bowl. We are always with you, and we always wish to be a complement to your life in meaningful ways. You will find that the superfluous, shallow, and meaningless details for your life will not be answered, but that those meaningful ones will be. This helps to lead you in the way of understanding the light, where the light is, how to follow it, and then bask in it as you walk forward in the light.

We are here

The underlying message in my opening statement is that we are here, we are operational, we are functional, and we are of immediate assistance when necessary. We have a sense of urgency to be about the Father's work—Christ Michael's work—in the Correcting Time for this planet. We have said before that it is our wish to prepare for, not the restoration or the recreation, but the transformation of your societies even before the cataclysms become too great and horrendous. This must be something that registers in the hearts of believers—that they would be curious to understand what this means and how to prepare. Of course, for you as an individual mortal, the pragmatics of co-creative participation are very real because you will, in fact, be living through these circumstances which may not be pleasant, and which will affect your life tremendously. You would like to have answers provided to you as they're needed, correct? Of course. So, that is answered prayer in the moment. You would want to ask for assistance in understanding the way forward so that you can make sense of our leadership and of the circumstances that you are in at the moment. You then become, in a way, planetary managers of your own small square footage of the planet, and wherever you walk, that is your planetary management responsibility. You are an emissary when you want to be, you can be a compliment to Christ Michael's journey as Jesus when you want to be, and you can be an example for others when you provide your leadership through the spirituality that exists within you and around you. Your guardian angel is always available for you no matter what your circumstance is.

Work with us outside of just emergencies

We're trying to convey to you that we wish to have a working relationship outside of emergencies. It seems that, in the past, people only came to spirit with a request when they were in dire circumstances. It is important for your mortal relationships that you maintain them even while there are difficulties and unfortunate developments in your life. Relationships are ongoing—they are not here, and there, and scattered in piecemeal. True relationships are continuing. You feel their presence. You know that there is someone there for you, and that is us in this spiritual-mortal relationship. Just as you want to have a friend who has “got your back,” we too are there for you at all times whether in dire circumstances or not.

As Christ Michael has given us directions for our work, we would never turn you away from the door of opportunity to come to know Jesus/Christ Michael and Spirit—your Thought Adjuster—more intimately. When you knock upon the door seeking help and we open the door, we will not say “We do not know you. Who are you? We have not seen you before,” but rather we will welcome you in and assist you as we can. Our efforts with Christ Michael's direct command for us is to maintain relationships, to establish new relationships, and to then foster them to grow, evolve, and become more complete. It is not that we want you to become totally independent of spirit, but that we wish you to have a working relationship with us in meaningful ways that you can count on, knowing that when you are in great difficulty, we truly do have your back. Thank you. I'm open for questions. If you have any.

Development of motivation

JT: All right, we'll start a question-and-answer mode here. I want to start with the question from Godwin while we are relatively quiet here. Godwin says, “Questions two and three were missing, which I sent in on May third. I've tweaked them slightly and I'm sending them out again. “As far as I understand, in the history of the unfolding of our evolution there is a qualitative transition, a gradual development of motivation. In the DNA structure the seven core values were laid as the foundation, then the first five Auxiliary Mind Spirits came into play, then time passed, and the 6th and 7th Auxiliary Mind Spirits began to positively motivate spiritual development. What is the next step that might await us in this history of human motivation that could propel us further, in the development of human society?”

MM: One moment. This is Machiventa. We recommend to you, myself and all my Melchizedeks, that you cease this business of your mind with the penchant to intellectualize your questions, but to enter into your heart and see where you need development. Is there some area that needs to be quiet? Is there some evolutionary step that you need to go through? This is not about the steps out there, but this is about the steps in you in here with you. I could answer your question, I would be glad to, but I advise myself not to. And so, you are going to be left with no answer to your question other than to ask yourself the same question and pursue filling that void in your own spiritual growth with your Thought Adjuster. Thank you.

JT: Alright, I'll leave his second question out then, because it's more about motivation. And we’ll go to Jeff.

In person communication vs. electronic

Jeff: Thank you. Machiventa, you told us a while back that there were important signals that our body sent out and received when we interact with one another in close proximity and that a fair amount of that, I think he said up to 80 or 90% of it, can be lost when long distance communication is involved. So, this may be partially a question of curiosity, but it's also one that I want to embody if I possibly can in our website and other dealings. It seems to me today that we experience the world around us in increasingly digital manners. I used to read newspapers. Today it's articles. And newspapers you could stack in a pile, and you could go refer to them and they were always printed. Today we have articles that are printed digitally but they can be amended or taken down or simply disappear. So, my first question about this is: Are our brains wired to accept texting as the same as person-to-person conversation?

MM: No, thank you.

Jeff: Thank you. My second question is, are digital conversations or social media conversations less impactful than actual telephone or zoom-like conversation?

MM: Yes. Except to the extent that you would have a video call.

More connected and more isolated

Jeff: Okay. Thank you. Some people fret that, even though we are more connected to the world than ever before, we are at the same time more isolated. Do you have any thoughts on this issue or a resolution to that?

MM: How long do you have to talk about this today? That is my answer to your question. There's so much to be said about personal contact, personal conversations when you are face to face across a coffee table or lunch or across easy chairs in your home. You see, your present media, in all forms, does not provide any more heart contact between yourself and another person than reading your old newspapers from your stack or the new one that comes on your front porch every morning. That is the same business. It is almost callous. It is insulated from an electrical standpoint. You are not in contact with the energy of the other person. You may hear their words, you may see their emotional states on their face, but you are not there with them face to face emoting where your two auras are in contact. You are missing the message, and the message is one from the heart. This is where true relationships begin—where you feel this intimate relationship with another person from your commitment from your heart and their commitment from their heart. The relationships now are no different than signing a lease contract and then putting it away and forgetting about it. It is cold, it is business. You must remove the business from your humanity. Thank you.

Jeff: So, I don't want to suck up too much oxygen, but I want to put that into context. My questions are really in the context of dealing with the model, validation, and co-creation that it seems that a very important part of the energy towards using this tool is that the people who are acting as organizer, facilitator, recorder, consultant, and enquiring minds really do need to be physically present with one another for maximum effect. Am I thinking that correctly?

MM: Absolutely correct. Yes, thank you

Jeff: Thank you.


Recca: Thank you Jeff for your run up on that with your statement. Machiventa, when I'm standing with an acquaintance, friend, or anyone physically (we're talking physically now—in proximity) can I strengthen the co-creative process that we're learning by consciously inviting my Adjuster and the person-in-front-of-me’s Adjuster into colloquy (I'm sure Adjusters are in colloquy all the time)? Does that [apply] even if these are strangers in front of me, and I will be in a brief conversation with them, greeting Adjusters, inviting Adjusters and Guardian angels into this situation? Do we make a physical imprint or a spiritual heart imprint that walks away and with each of us and we work in our own way strengthened? That's my question.

MM: Thank you so much for your question. Have you ever heard this salutation namaste?

Recca: Yes of course.

MM: And what does it mean?

Recca: My inward spirit greets your inward spirit.

MM: There you are. Yes, you are most definitely encouraged to invite your Thought Adjuster to contact the other person's Thought Adjuster. And, of course, when you have this request there's basically only one request that you would want to make with having that invitation shared [and that] is for the highest and greatest good of all concerned. So that if the person that you want your Thought Adjuster to be in contact with their Thought Adjuster, that person adamantly refuses to acknowledge God and any form of God, then you're Thought Adjuster will not move forward to engage the other Thought Adjuster to your knowledge or to the other person's knowledge. Of course, they're always in colloquy, as you say, so that they do understand each other. That's what you're doing when you have this request—you are asking your Thought Adjuster giving your will-made agreement and permission for this to occur. You oftentimes may not know the outcome, and sometimes later on you may to your own regret. It is not that Thought Adjusters have any thoughts of harm for you at all other than their work with your mutual guardians who would, perhaps, put stumbling blocks in your way so that you learn something from this relationship. That is perhaps an advanced thought to you, but everyone on our side works together for your good. Thank you.

Recca: May I follow up?

MM: Please do.

Communication among celestial beings

Recca: Somewhere in a transcript, perhaps, I have read (and correct me please if I'm wrong) that Adjusters and our Guardian angels are not in direct association, and that we as mortals are the 3rd leg of the stool of the communication and outworking of the work that the Guardian Seraphim and the Adjuster set out for us. Is that a misconception on my part that—that there is no direct communication or association rather between Adjusters and our Seraphim guardians?

MM: I chuckled to myself because you're right. You're exactly right. It's not as though they sit down over a cup of coffee and chat about your life unbeknownst to you. Rather, the lines of communication between spiritual beings are multiple. Your thoughts of conversation between the two is very rigid. It is very antiquarian and animalistic but necessary for you to communicate with others. Now recall our recent conversation—my explanation about vibrations and being next to a person physically. There is a certain vibrational resonance that occurs between you and someone else. Well now multiply that times 100 between your guardian and your Thought Adjuster and pretty much everything that is known to the Thought Adjuster has some resonance with your guardian. Remember that both are well informed about your plan of life. Thank you.

Say it out loud

Recca: I have one more question to follow up. When you counsel us to speak out loud our thoughts, our prayers, and our aspirations (and forget about the aspersions we may be casting at the same time—that's a little Recca joke), is this a way of making [our thoughts] very clear to ourselves—not only our own ears, but to our Guardians and our Adjusters (who already know most of these things)? Does this speaking out loud give permission for our private [thoughts] to be revealed to our spirit associates.

MM: Most definitely. If you were your Guardian (or someone else's guardian), you would have privy access to all the inner conversations of that person. And even when a person is talking to another person, they may have another conversation going on in their mind at the same time. It is helpful for us to have you speak aloud those things that you want us to hear to ensure that you know that we know what your commitments are. You have to think in terms of speaking aloud to actually make the vibrations come out of your mouth. And so, there is a definite amount of commitment, sincerity, and earnestness in your doing so. All of these are important conversational signals that assist us and assist you to understand what you're saying because when you're speaking at another level, you are also listening to it and sometimes you will reflect on what you just heard and have a new thought that is highly productive. This is self-observation of a developed level which is very helpful for your spiritual, personality, and social evolution. Thank you.

And write it down

Recca: Thank you. Sorry, one final question (I promise you). Then if speaking out loud performs the task that you just laid out for us, what is the parallel use of or advantage to the written word in meditation and in quiet time when I'm journaling on the page and I'm flowing in my own thoughts written down. That seems of course slower than actually saying things out loud. Are guardians able to read over our shoulders? How does that work?

MM: It works very well, thank you. What I would recommend you do is that you state your intention for your journaling. We would hope that you would journal with the intention of being led by your Thought Adjuster, guardian, and others who reveal themselves through the point of your pen on the paper, that you are really becoming an instrument of the revelation that they have for you, and that you are willing to listen to them and take notes, so to speak. It's very similar to a novice artist who is sketching beside a master artist who is sketching a figure who is posing for them and that you are attempting to write with the master's mind. Thank you.

Recca: Thank you very much. I appreciate your patience.

MM: You're most welcome. Thank you for your questions.

Liz: Good morning Machiventa. I'm delighted to be with you again this morning. You have said that it's a priority right now that the world knows that you are here, and other than seeking a path for my participation in revealing your presence and your team's presence in my meditation, is there anything else that you would have us do?

Fill your heart and mind with “We are here!”

MM: Yes, there definitely is. You may remember back many decades where you saw this indigent individual with a large placard walking down an Arizona highway saying, “The end is near, the end is near,” and so on. We wish you not to become that placard carrying individual as many people will misinterpret our message. What we wish you to do is fill your heart and your mind with the energy of this message—that we are here—and that you share it around the world. Remember, I spoke to you (the group) sometime ago about expanding your aura and your message around the world. You can speak to a group of people in your living room, you can speak to a large group in an auditorium, and if you have the capacity and you have the fortitude of your heart, your mind, and your spiritual energy, you can make your message echo around the world, so it comes back to you and echoes back again and again. This would be very helpful. It is also supportive of Nebadonia’s work and her many corps of angels who are informing the world that things are changing, events are developing, this is not the same world it was two years ago, it's not the same world it was a year and a half ago, and that you have a message to share with the world and that everyone has an opportunity to accept this invitation to embrace this energy.

As we said, we are not here just as energy vibrations among you, but we are manifesting the plans for the recovery of your civilization now. Many people have engaged this. Many people are working at this level in many capacities, many that are unknown to you or would not even be recognizable perhaps, but nonetheless there is an effort for good in the world and much like water, it seeks the lowest level to enter into your realm, and the lowest level is the most humble person. Thank you.

Modifying weather conditions

Liz: Thank you for that. I appreciate your answer as always. As you know, there is an enormous high pressure dome roasting the Pacific Northwest that seems to be stalled and my experience with you and with hurricanes in the Southeast and with fires in Australia, it seems that if we band together with the good intention of, not destroying this heat dome, but just gently moving it northward and eastward and letting it get on its way would this be an appropriate venue for us to spend a few seconds in that meditation.

MM: Yes, it certainly would, but I invite you to be creative in how you would do that. What do you visualize? Are you going to create any even greater high-pressure dome over your geography? Are you going to create a low-pressure area in another location that would not harm anyone? The processes are part of visualization—you are visualizing the energy vibrations in real terms of atmospheric pressure that can work out to everyone's benefit. Thank you.

Liz: So, it's not a matter of just visualizing what I saw on the weather map last night, which is that this dome of high pressure is stalled over the northwest and a smaller line of low pressure is unable to come to our aid. Would I have to have a greater knowledge of atmospheric science? I guess I don't quite understand your answer. We can't just move it on its way so that it takes its normal course of action—just not stalled?

Planetary Manager’s objectives

MM: I chuckle once more at mortal naivete. Education is always a benefit and to understand it does not necessarily mean that you have to actuate it. A thought held in mind will out-form itself in your reality. Remember too that my training of you, in this group and the audience here, is for you all to become planetary managers. Now, if you were a planetary manager, as I am with my capacity to amend circumstances, how would you deal with this? You see, the naivete of mortals on Urantia is very narrow—meaning that they only see a small portion that affects them. However, when you expand your consciousness to envelope that of a planetary manager, you become aware of hundreds of vectors that will come into being by your moving that high pressure area. You don't need to know the mechanics of it all, you simply must need to, as a planetary manager, maintain the welfare of all concerned. This would be a tremendous advantage for everyone. Even beginning the process of learning how to be a planetary manager and the parameters of that is tremendously awesome, and it's big, and it is highly responsible. However, you, as a mortal, have the same capacity of mind as many of my assistants have, except that you were unaware of them. And so, I am trying to expand your consciousness to be of service to this planet. I will not become more specific than that. Thank you.

Liz: Okay, so I'm beginning to understand what you're saying to me when we all put our energy toward deflecting a hurricane away from the shores of Florida, that hurricane went out to sea and harmed no one that I know of. And so, what I'm understanding is that if we move this high-pressure area off to the north and the west, which is its natural path, it's going to cause problems for those in its path, and that's not what we ought to be doing. Am I reading it correctly?

MM: Yes, you are reading me correctly. You want the highest and best good for all concerned, and, of course, that involves the less damage, less harm to anyone who is in that place where it is moving. You see, when you move it out to sea—to the ocean, mortals are in frequent, daily, hourly contact with the meteorological reports so they can make adjustments in the course of their travels. However, when you're stuck on the west coast of this continent, there's not too far that you can go. So, you, in moving it to another direction, would want others to be aware of what is happening even if it's through their meteorological reports. Do you understand?

Liz: I do. I do, yes. Thank you. You've given me a whole new dimension of understanding this power that I believe that we have and that I have seen, felt, and experienced. So, now I have a greater understanding of the gravity of it. So, thank you for that.

MM: You're most welcome. And do not forget this is the same energy that Jesus used to heal the leper, thank you.

Liz: Thank you for that.

JT: All right, well, that's all the questions we have today. Do you have a closing Machiventa?

Suffer the little children

[ED: A small child was heard on the call during parts of the meeting.] MM: Yes. This is Machiventa. Thank you for your presence here today. For us, it is truly heartening to hear the voice of a small child, an infant, who got to participate in our forum. It is wonderful to be reminded of the early era of mortality of individuals who live on this planet. There is an innocence and a trust that is palpable, immanent, and is visible to the individual who is holding that child. That the child seeks solace, comfort, nurturance, nutrition, love, and care from that individual. You as adults, who are growing into your spiritual adulthood at the lower levels, are learning this slowly. You are one of many who is loved deeply and dearly by Christ Michael, Nebadonia, myself, and many others. My relationship to you is on a much more pragmatic level to assist you as individuals and as a civilization to evolve and mature into the greatness that you have within you. Good day.

JT: Thank you Machiventa and thank you Daniel.